Argentina formally announces it won't join the BRICS alliance in Milei's latest policy shift - eviltoast
    • El Barto@lemmy.world
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      I don’t think he literally wants the country to starve. He doesn’t strike me like an evil fuck.

      He is an incompetent ignorant, though.

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        Literally first paragraph from his bio in wiki:

        Javier Gerardo Milei[note 1] (born 22 October 1970) is an Argentine politician and economist serving as the president of Argentina since December 2023. Milei has taught university courses in macroeconomics, economic growth, microeconomics, and mathematics for economists. He has written numerous books on economics and politics, and also hosted radio programs on the subject.

        As we can see he’s basically accomplished veteran of all levels of economics. And regardless of capitalist economics being more or less worthless scam, there are countries run by it and not having nosedive into fascism and slavery in a week. Therefore we can assume that either he faked his entire career and nobody noticed that or he is doing what he’s doing completely on purpose.

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          Even better: he faked his entire carreer AND he’s doing everything completely on purpose!

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          Is he a good economist, though?

          I mean, I can write books and host radio shows about quantum mechanics if I want. And I’m no physicist.

          But regardless, if he’s a climate denier, that’s all I need to know.

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            Is he a good economist, though?

            Just take a look at how Argentina is faring right now and you can connect the dots to see he’s not in any point a good economist, or an economist at all.

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            Is he a good economist, though?

            Considering his academic career, he has to be at least well regarded by academia circles. It does not of course preclude he is outright incompetent hack, but it stronly point out that he’s established figure in mainstream economics.

            Of course he wouldn’t be first and not the last of “great economists” that run a country into the ground, but just as in case of people like balcerowicz or chicago boys, it’s not because incompetence but because dogmatically following utter nonsense and being the pawn to imperialism (to be fair at this point the question of competence stops being relevant).

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              I fully agree that Milei is at best dangerous to Argentina, but the country’s economy has been kinda fucked up for a while. Inflation has been mad and growth has been generally negative for at least a decade

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                Yes, but neoliberal shock therapy is not gonna make it better. If you look at history of neoliberalism, it made everything worse every single time.

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                  It looks like I actually replied to the wrong person accidentally. I had meant to post that under Virkkunen’s comment rather yours. I do agree with you though

                • HobbitFoot @thelemmy.club
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                  But what is going to make it better?

                  The problem is that the election was between Captain Anachrocapitalism and a continuation of Peronist policies which included a lot of government intervention.

                  He was won because he ran against everything the government represented.

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          I’d say I’m more afraid he’s also a talented enterpeneur for a product of his speeches and personality. I’ve met some people called visionaires, and I’m sure he may be one of these. They are not necessary bad in their field, but their word is taken for granted in too many indisciplinary cases and they are succesful at selling it at many conferences worldwide. He may be a really talented economist, or a man that just have an instinct to getting a career here, it doesn’t matter. That characteristics just makes him more likely to succeed at elections, winning the public.

          More important to my judgement of him is that he uses a populistic platform of redoing everything from the ground up in an instance. I get people got fed up with previous governments, but nothing good happens overnight. It’s a big red flag. Even if he’s trully the savanth scientist who planned it all himself for 20 years and get it all perfectly right, the amount of changes themselves would cause a crisis. And him accepting it, not seeing it or serving some lobby makes him not a president material equally.

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            Argentina needs a first step away from peronism and millei was as good as any. Sure he won’t complete any major transformation but avoiding that first step because change can’t be done well is also a misleading argument

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    Good riddance. Can’t take a country keen on dollarization into an organization who’s primary goal is dedollarization.

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      Why doesn’t south America agree on a single currency like the Euro?

      The Peso. The Sol. The Amero.

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      It’s the euro even a good idea? Convenient for tourism and trade sure, but according to MMT it hamstrings a countries ability to invest in it’s economy and makes government loans fraught.

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        Uh? Who said EU countries can’t contract loans or invest in its economy?

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          I didn’t say they can’t, I said it was fraught. A better phrasing is “can cause issues a non-euro country does not have.” This quote explains what I mean:

          So, in the eurozone a national (federal) government cannot run out of money as long as:

          • tax revenues are high enough to bring the Treasury account back to zero or
          • bond revenues are high enough to bring the Treasury account back to zero or
          • tax and bond revenues together are high enough to bring the Treasury account back to zero.

          This means that a eurozone national government does not run out of money until it has exhausted its tax revenues and bond revenues

          The United States, Great Britain, Japan, and every other fiat currency country don’t have this problem. They are incapable of running out of money. They are capable of making so much money it is completely debased like Weighmar Germany or Zimbabwe. However, those cases are rare and extreme. As long as they ensure the supply of goods people want to buy us sufficient they can spend as much as they want. This enables them to pay off their debts on a whim (if they want to collapse the safest store for money that investors use to outweigh risks).

          Sources:

          The Deficit Myth I’d give you page numbers but I listened to the audiobook https://www.intereconomics.eu/contents/year/2022/number/2/article/modern-monetary-theory-the-right-compass-for-decision-making.html

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          He literally said it’s the MMT. Lmgtfy: https://www.investopedia.com/modern-monetary-theory-mmt-4588060 and it doesn’t even say that companies can’t get loans.

          It just makes it harder to take on debt if you don’t control your own currency as a sovereign state. EU countries are a political union but not a clear fiscal union, with their own treasuries but also the ECB calling the shots and it means that member states can have sanctions imposed on them, like Greece for example.

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    BUENOS AIRES (AP) — Argentina formally announced Friday that it won’t join the BRICS bloc of developing economies, the latest in a dramatic shift in foreign and economic policy by Argentina’s new far-right populist President Javier Milei.

    Milei’s predecessor, former center-left president Alberto Fernandez, endorsed joining the alliance as an opportunity to reach new markets.

    But economic turmoil left many in Argentina eager for change, ushering chainsaw-wielding political outsider Milei into the presidency.

    In foreign policy, he has proclaimed full alignment with the “free nations of the West,” especially the United States and Israel.

    Throughout the campaign for the presidency, Milei also disparaged countries ruled “by communism” and announced that he would not maintain diplomatic relations with them despite growing Chinese investment in South America.

    However, in the letter addressed to his counterpart Luiz Inácio Lula Da Silva in neighboring Brazil and the rest of the leaders of full BRICS members — Xi Jinping of China, Narenda Mondi of India, Vladimir Putin of Russia and Matamela Ramaphosa of South Africa — Milei proposed to “intensify bilateral ties” and increase “trade and investment flows.”


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