Edit: Enough money as in buying a PC supporting windows 11
Why would they need money? Linux based OSes are both free and much lighter than Windows
The meme, which wasn’t well-written, is suggesting that the cost savings of switching to Linux isn’t significant to most people. It’s saying
Most people
- don’t care enough
- have enough money
rather than
Most people don’t
- care enough
- have enough money
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Or have enough mon… My brother it’s free. Zero dollars.
I think the mangled English there is suggesting that some people don’t care enough, and other people have enough money (to buy Windows).
Not that it matters because who the fuck pays for Windows anyway? OEMs do, but not normal people. Everything since like Windows 7 has been a free upgrade, and normies get a new PC more often than that so get a copy with it.
OEMs do
And they pass that on to the consumer lol.
Not all computers are eligible for a free upgrade, my work desktop (windows 10) got a pop up about ending support & that my computer isn’t eligible for an upgrade to windows 11.
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and other people have enough money
Those usually buy apple stuff, so that’s probably who it tried to mention
Most people will install Windows 11, complain about it, complain about the lack of Windows alternatives, then get offended and spam downvote anyone who mentions an alternative.
This pretty much sums up the pcmasterrace community and i ended up leaving because of it.
I’m trying to learn Linux, got Cinnamon to dip my toes into, and love it.
And being someone who is computer literate, finding a distro that was similar to windows to learn with was a pain. With all the infighting and superiority complexs on forums, the absolute number of variations of distros, combined with the avalanche of information you need to digest just to get a basic understanding…
Yeah, I get why people will stick to Windows and ignore free/better alternatives, all while complaining. It’s just not worth it to a vast majority of users.
Yeah…this is going to be a super unpopular opinion, but there needs to be a designated distro for new users who aren’t sure what to go with. If someone asks “What distro should I-” the rest doesn’t matter. We just agree on one distro and that’s it. Once they have a reason to look for another distro, they’ll have the knowledge to find it themselves.
You have to make the first step easy.
Linux Mint should be the default answer for newbies. Tech savvy users can probably find “the right distro” themselves.
that ‘designated distro’ for newcomers used to be ubuntu. probably still is. as much as i’d want to say mint or some other variant of ubuntu or debian that i happen to like… ‘one man shows’ and distros with very small teams aren’t what a new user should be going with. there’s a reason why so many base off ubuntu. it’s big. it’s solid. and it just works.
Ubuntu was always the answer I gave, but it feels like they’ve fallen out of favor with the whole snap debacle.
As a technically literate person who is mostly new to Linux, Snaps along with Canonical’s corporate behavior was initially a dealbreaker for me.
Except now I’m on Zorin (a Ubuntu fork) and find I can install flatpak, apt, etc as well, so I’m not wholly opposed to it anymore.
Still think they’re assholes for taking initial steps in a paywall direction, though, not to mention doing the FOSS community that way.
We overestimate what most people do with their computers.
Most people that buy one never touch the re-installation of the OS. I wouldn’t be surprised if I learned 99% of PC users haven’t even done it once.
People buy a PC and use whatever it comes with. They don’t uninstall bloat. They might use a different browser. And then they’ll stick with it until they’re done with it.
It requires knowledge to use different Operating Systems. Most people either don’t have the time or don’t care to learn it. I can’t say I blame them, I never cared to learn about my car. I don’t ever really want to! Yet, I use it every day.
You probably should learn the basics of your car, or develop a relationship with someone who is good at/knows cars and pick a few things up from them.
You rely on it working correctly to not die and the company that makes it would happily let you die if they calculated it was more profitable that way.
Like it’s a good thing to have basic knowledge of the stuff we rely on. You don’t need to be an expert but total ignorance is a very vulnerable position.
I’ll second this by saying that most people will just buy a new computer when their current one becomes “slow”. For me, a slow computer is easy to find a solution for. It’s almost always the install drive is a hard drive and too many background applications. For other people the only solution in their eyes is a brand new PC because even the operating system is part of the whole PC.
I can blame them.
Fair.
Kind reminder that majority of users use “Google” as their browser. :)
Funny icon on desktop goes brrr.
Is reloading PCs really still a thing anymore? I’d been told that it stopped being necessary (unless you fucked something up) somewhere around windows 7.
Great way to remove crap you have completely forgotten about.
My friend does it atleast yearly out of habbit. He says it runs better but I think it’s tge placebo effect and I am a data hoarder (no the bad kind) so don’t.
Yeah, uhm… So, you know, modern cars also come with pre-installed spyware, just like our friend wondows but somewhat worse 😅
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I wouldn’t accept something like that either, you can’t force people to just waste (in their view) countless of hours on something they don’t care about.
People can use whatever they like, and I’m guessing your dad only wants to use Apple more because of everyone telling him to stop using it.
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Are you okay or have you gone insane?
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You might have more success if you dial it back, average users don’t need that deep of an understanding. They just need a functional system that does what they expect it to.
I’ve converted several family members to Linux to ease my own role as their tech support. And it was as simple as preloading things they’d need, showing them what the new browser/email/whatever looked like, showing them the new “app store” (KDE Discover), and telling them to call me if it breaks. Some of them explored further and learned how the system works, others were just happy to click the buttons I showed them. None of them regret the change.
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People are still using facebook and reddit by the hundreds of millions or billions. Most people don’t give 2 shits about technology, just that it sort of works. Most people are Jen.
oh you think so?
i’ll tell you, the saying:echo $(date -d “$(date +%Y) + 1 year” +%Y) will be the year of the linux desktop
has never been wrong
Yes, but their desktop is their phone.
Many people and even businesses are still running Windows XP and Windows 7 and we are still talking about security updates on Windows 10?😂 People will never take their security seriously if they don’t lose a lot of money at first…
Linux so expensive
if a shitty new windows version was gonna drive users to linux, it would have happened already…
at least twice.
Good old Windows ME.
Most people still Google “Facebook” to login to Facebook.
The general public won’t start using Linux until the computer they buy from their local big box store has it installed by default. Which for a brief moment nearly happened with netbooks.
I know it’s mostly because I’m in the middle of nowhere, most people I know don’t know what OS they’re running
They don’t even know what program they browse the internet with, manage documents with, nor view media with. They know what button to press. George Jetson is our reality.
Most people still Google “Facebook” to login to Facebook.
Wait, I’m lost here…what’s the problem there? Maybe they wanna use the browser version and not the app (i haven’t used facebook in ages, so I’ve no idea if the site now just funnels you into their desktop/mobile app as much as they can)
I’m just pointing out the general tech ignorance in the world. There are generally people who think they need to go through Google to go to any other web page on the internet.
Ahh, yeah, you’re right in that case then
Why I don’t switch to Linux as my main. The video games and mod managers don’t work well on it.
If given the ability and choice too I would use Linux 10000% but not even proton can work on everything that is only for Windows.
I literally have no choice tbh as I “acquire” games I can’t afford and it’s often to hard to figure out how to install them on Linux.
I hate windows with a passion but capatilism and monopolies force me to use it.
Proton may not be perfect but it works for the vast majority of games at this point. And most mod managers can also run through Lutris, curious to hear which ones you’ve tried that didn’t work
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Not even Windows can run all Windows games, so that’s kind of a hard criteria for Linux to achieve.
Windows will run a modern windows game with a lot less fiddling than Linux with wine and proton.
Most people aren’t spending a lot of time playing 20 year old games on windows 11.
In my experience, 90% of games work on Linux just by using proton. I’ve even had some of my GoG games that just absolutely did not work on modern Windows just straight up be “install and click play” on Linux via just Wine or by using Proton. The 10% that don’t are multiplayer games with heavy anticheats–which, unfortuenatly are what a lot of people play. Some of them already work (Apex, Dead by Daylight, Halo) some are getting worked on (Genshin–tho there IS a way to play it on Linux, at the risk of a ban, a buncha easy-anticheat games like Hunt: Showdown, etc) and some have just plain said a Linux version is out of the cards (Fortnite, Destiny 2 AFAIK).
Modding games also works fine on Linux, but there’s a bit of a catch: it’s not as simple as installing MO2 and Vortex (you CAN install both via Lutris or Steamtinker, but I’ve personally never gotten either to work like that so i can’t say how well it does or doesn’t), you kinda have to play around and see what works. I was able to mod Skyrim, Oblivion, Fallout New Vegas, and Morrowind exactly as i do on Windows (the former three using Rockerbacon’s Mod Organizer 2 script, the last one manually), Fallout 4 manually (haven’t tried the script since i don’t really play FO4, tho I’m sure it works), Pathfinder WOTR via using it’s mod manager in Proton, using Steam Workshop if a game supports it, and using Mod Managers for Linux when they’re available, like Baldur’s Gate 3’s LAMP. Yeah, it’s a hassle depending on the game. For me, it’s fine because I accepted long ago that there would be some annoyances to Linux, and as long as there isn’t any native mod managers built specifically for Linux and we’re stuck jury rigging mod managers made for Windows, modding will be one of those annoyances. But my tolerance is not everyone’s tolerance and I completely understand if people are put off by this and just stick to Windows for modded games.
Unfortunately that 10% of games that don’t work are extremely popular and do happen to be what I’d consider a majority of pc gamers are playing
I use Linux at work. All my personal laptops are Linux. My home server is Linux…
I updated to windows 11 on my main PC and it isn’t that bad anymore. Have it working almost like 10 was.
No average user is going to give a shit about 10 -> 11
If your machine support it. Aren’t gen 7 Intel chips and earlier unsupported?
Except I had to trick my PC into upgrading. Lots of hardware that’s still perfectly good will block you from upgrading/installing W11.
Tbh it kinda comes to the reason why there are some people still using Windows XP in 2023: they refuse to let go. If another operating system can give them the same experience as Windows 10 with the latest support for all applications, hopefully they’ll take that as opposed to using an outdated version of Windows.
Source: my main gaming rig is switching to arch once windows 10 reaches eol
People pay for Windows with money?
I meant money as in buying a supported PC
People buy specially supported PCs for Linux?
Yes But I meant buying a new pc that supports windows 11 instead of installing Linux
Ahhh, then scop of the negation is meant to not cover “have enough money”!
I read it as not (care or enough money).
Is there some type of PC that can run windows and also can’t run Linux?
Here’s my experience using Linux for 3 yrs now. I was excited enough to try a new OS that I learned how to install a new operating system on a new laptop I bought. I never could get rid of a drivers alert on every start up, even though I knew there was nothing wrong there. Googling the problem, the top 5 results were 5 completely different solutions. Whatever it’s a small problem so I ignored it. Months later my sound started screwing up, like distortions. (Ok, so maybe there is something wrong with my drivers.) But could never figure it out and could resolve the sound problem momentarily with a restart. With the sound issue happening more frequently, I thought I should get a new laptop, this time built with Linux pre installed by a company that knows what they’re doing. I bought a $1200 laptop from System 76, with specs that I could easily pay $500 less for. I don’t understand why the volume buttons don’t work out of the box and the auto update of snap packages has been ridiculously frustrating cause all my firefox tabs close and seem to be lost. Again, googling the issue gets a dozen different solutions and I don’t know what route to take. I only need an internet browser & word processor, ffs. I feel too stupid for Linux. I don’t even have kids or much of a time sucking job and I feel like learning this OS is too time-consuming. I’m probably getting a Mac for my next laptop and wish I didn’t feel like I have to.
I have no idea how you’ve run into so many issues. People shit on Ubuntu here but I’ve always used it as a “Mac OS alternative” since the flavor feels similar. My wife uses it all the time and has very few issues. The only issue we run into is Bluetooth, but I have Bluetooth issues with every OS I’ve ever used: Android, MacOS, Windows, etc.
So, snap auto-updates don’t close your browser?
I use Xubuntu on my media server, and have never had that happen. I get a notification saying that the Firefox snap is going to update in 14 days, but closing the browser, updating, and reopening brings all my tabs and windows back. I get the same if I close the browser and restart the computer, letting the snaps update automatically.
I wonder if OP has got the restore open tabs setting turned off.
I’ve had no major issues with my Ubuntu distro. Snap updates work without closing any software - as far as I know. I just tested a snap refresh, but I didn’t have any out-of-date software.
I would argue I push the boundaries of common Ubuntu usage as well. I have 8TB of mixed HDD and SSD storage which I use for gaming, Unity development, Blender, Plex server, and random programming projects (e.g. k8s cluster work). I don’t have any major issues.
People complain a lot about Ubuntu and I just don’t get it. It’s a good software for the average consumer, in my opinion. My wife uses it for her computer and has pretty much no issues.
I do want to switch to Linux Mint someday since people are adamant that it’s better than Ubuntu but I think I’ll stick with Ubuntu since I’ve setup so many things on this machine and I don’t want to redo this work.
I’ve had a lot of similar experiences that just make me not want to use Linux on the desktop. There’s always something breaking, and if you like to tinker with your computer and don’t mind spending an afternoon fixing audio or Bluetooth or a monitor configuration it’s not too bad, but if you just want something that works Linux is definitely not it
