This needs to happen with Appl too. AppleTV/Safari/Messages/etc app for MacOS + SIP my ass. Its not integral and if you’ve made it so you need to unmake it so, along with other bundled crap. SIP should literally refer to that and only that in aggregate which is necessary to ensure the system is able to function, not per se function in an un-overruleable way for the maker.
Don’t forget TV brands like samsung and LG who force some apps down your throat even if you don’t want them. You can’t remove those apps. Amazon is even worse with their firetv devices, they just install apps on your behalf that you can’t remove. We don’t own anything anymore.
Ya but I can just use a box and not have the TV itself connected to the internet and you can have it in gaming mode so you basically never see the splash screen with all tha crap
I do this as well, but the smart TV bullshit on my Vizio constantly switches itself back on.
I have a button on my remote now that fixes my input by switching to the box in one fell swoop because this happens so much. There is no setting to stop this, as I already have it set to not change the input.
Yes. They should allow removing apps like Safari and, as you said, Apple TV, iMessage, and other non-basic (on a computer) utilities, then downloading them again from the App Store.
On an unrelated note, I also turn off SIP to change the icons of system apps.
Wait Windows users are allowed to manage their software ?!? Get out of town.
As a certified windows user, can confirm, I do not have free will to install anything
yes, and it’s easier than linux
checks notes Registry editing?
Or just use Bulk Crap Uninstaller
I just bulk crap uninstalled windows and moved to Linux
Linux users truly are the vegans of the tech world.
Ain’t that the truth
In both cases, I’ve encountered a lot more people complaining about them than I have obnoxious Linux users or vegans
Must not be using your eyes much then, or you’re just a bit selective about what you see.
This sounds like some desperate projection to me lol
People actively seek out annoying people to justify themselves.
They seriously cannot stop talking about Linux… At this point, It’s endlessly annoying, as it’s on literally every post about any operating system.
Nearly every post is about Windows or MacOS yet when someone mentions Linux suddenly it’s a problem?
I also hate how Windows and MacOS are mentioned on every post about operating systems yet here we are. Why is no-one talking about Temple OS?
But seriously why doesn’t your rule apply to the other operating systems? Perhaps no-one is promoting Windows because it’s not the OS they chose, it’s the OS they got and it’s their god given right to be miserable and make sure everyone else is.
How dare I care about my operating system choice and how I use my computer. How dare I recommend it to other people. How dare I try to convince them to give it a go because it might be better for them. As a Linux user I am truly scum, the worst of the worst.
It’s not like there an infinite number of OSs. Unless you have a Mac the choice is basically Windows or Linux.
It’s absolutely logical that any operating system post will have comments pushing Linux.I hope that one day someone makes another better OS, because Linux is annoying as well. But until then you’ll have to suffer these comments.
Meantime, the BSD crowd: “am I a joke to you?”
Vegans care about the well-being of other creatures, so that’s actually a kind comparison.
Too kind for me. There would be more software made for me if others stopped letting proprietary software take advantage of them.
You must’ve kept the button pressed too long. Oh well.
No harm done
I’m working on that
Way too late…I switched away from Windows 100% already. Linux works perfectly fine.
Too many of the programs I use are Windows only.
Like what? I’ve found alternatives or many run just fine using Wine. Might run a little slower if your computer is older, but likely everything else is running faster on Linux anyway, so it makes up for it.
I use many proprietary pieces of software that are only available for Windows.
I find that unless that software needs access to hardware, or is very performance sensitive or uses some newer Windows APIs, most of the time Wine can run it. I still have Windows installed for those few things that require it. But over time that has become less and less.
I even had to grab the TP-Link easysmart configuration utility yesterday to configure an old managed switch and the exe ran perfect on Wine. I was honestly quite surprised. In fact I first started it up and it didn’t detect anything and I was afraid it was incompatible, but turned out the second NIC in my PC was just set up on the same config in network manager because I had been playing around with some stuff. It also runs the old Windows Epson Scanner software and drivers that my old scanner requires that no longer work in Windows 11.
Anyway, for old proprietary stuff I find that Wine emulates older Windows and DOS better than Windows 10 or 11.
Tell that to someone that uses fusion 360 to earn their living.
If you are just going to Facebook and downloading movies and stuff sure…
Linux is great for my home server, terrible for my main machine.
It runs just fine https://github.com/cryinkfly/Autodesk-Fusion-360-for-Linux
Your problem is using your personal machine for work.
Why the hell would I buy an entire different machine just for web browsing and games? Should also get a third one for porn? Lol
It’s great that Linux works for you but you need to realize that it does not work for everyone yet. Your experience is not the same as everyone else’s. If I could run every application I need on Linux I would switch today. I am not happy about my dependence on Windows, but I live in reality
But can you remove Windows from Windows?
Delete system 32
Nice try, but you need permission from SYSTEM to delete system32.
You need to triforce it.
If even MS themselves calls it “benefits”, why not enable it for all by default?
Because fuck you.
Why is this a topic at all? Don’t you own your machine?
I’m surprised I own my shoes at this point. Any tech bros wanna take care of that with an app?
The year is 2030. You will own nothing, and you will be happy.
I’m already so happy. How much happier can I get? 😢
Hell yeah, it’s about time somebody designs a pair of shoes that automatically tighten themselves to fit snugly around any foot. However, by default the shoes will be way too wide for anyone to use before they install an app and give away all their personal information including location, ethnicity, DOB, etc., so that an AI can guess their foot size.
C’mon bro, its nowhere near that facile although I’ll concede that once people are more aware of the options, it might help get things going in the right direction. Bes positive and joyfully share you expertise ;)
You Linux supremecists are so edgy…
I use Linux sometimes, too… But like… This shit is getting so old.
We get it, you like Linux. Now let people talk about other platforms without constantly talking about your platform.
I only have Linux on my servers at home and at work, as well as on my laptop, and I agree with that, it’s arrogant and getting so damn old. Lemmy has such a boner for Linux and loves shoving it in everyone’s faces.
You do realize that Lemmy is an opensource platform, which runs on Linux, and is maintained by volunteers who are passionate about Linux? Does it really come as surprise that Lemmy is full of Linux enthusiasts?
If you don’t like all the Linux talk here, feel free to move to a proprietary social network instead, maybe one with a red alien logo or with a blue ‘f’…
Being an enthusiast doesn’t mean you have to preach about it everywhere you go. This post isn’t talking about Linux whatsoever. They’re starting to remind me of religious nuts that always make everything about their religion.
But its not the same person preaching about it everywhere now is it? If you think you’re seeing it everywhere, it’s because this is a community built and run by Linux enthusiasts, so naturally you’ll see a lot of people talking about Linux here.
This post isn’t talking about Linux whatsoever.
No, but OP was talking an alternative solution, which of course, was tongue-in-cheek, but apparently it triggered the parent poster in a PTSD sort of manner.
No, but OP was talking an alternative solution, which of course, was tongue-in-cheek, but apparently it triggered the parent poster in a PTSD sort of manner.
Or maybe people think tuxangelicalists are annoying
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It’s not the same religious nut preaching about it everywhere, either, doesn’t make it any less annoying. It also doesn’t make it any less annoying to be preached everyday even if you live in a community based around the religion.
It’s also not about people talking about Linux. As a subscriber to Linux memes and Linux gaming communities, I have no issue with people talking about Linux. It’s when they are plugging Linux in an article that has nothing to do with it, especially in a community that is very aware about the existence of Linux, that it simply becomes a circlejerk and an attention seeking behaviour, instead of providing actually useful response to the post.
Everyone here knows Linux is an alternative to Windows, we don’t need the crazy Linux fanboys reminding us by posting stupid jokes about it on non-Linux posts.
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your platform.
You do realize you’re posting this on a opensource platform, which runs on Linux, and is maintained by volunteers who are enthusiastic about this stuff?
If you don’t like all the Linux talk here, feel free to move to a proprietary platform instead, maybe one with a red alien logo…
I don’t get why you’re offended by someone jokingly pushing Linux?
To be fair, there are so many opportunities to make these jokes because of how Microsoft behaves that maybe that’s the real issue here?
It doesn’t look like they’re getting offended to me.
Imagine you have a friend that you see daily. Every time you see them, they make the same joke. How quickly do you think you’ll get tired of the joke?
Everyone here makes the joke only once. But you have many friends here!
You food supremecists are so edgy…
I eat food sometimes, too… But like… This is getting so old.
We get it, you like food. Now let people talk about eating human shit without constantly talking about what you put in your mouth.
We just want to eat human shit in peace. Stop telling us there’s a better way, we get it, you don’t like human shit and you think we should be eating food instead. Stop preaching about it.
People like you make me so fucking embarrassed to be a Linux user.
So you’re claiming that all of Lemmy is a Linux only community?
When did I say that? I implied it’s only natural for there to be a lot of Linux enthusiasts, in a community built and run by Linux enthusiasts. So it shouldn’t come as a surprise seeing these sort of posts everywhere.
Come on now, Windows is technology too. It’s valid to be a Windows peasant here, this isn’t Linuxcirclejerk.
Because Linux, by its very nature, is the solution to these kinds problems, but if you insist on suffering through using Windows thats on you.
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So what? I was not talking about situations where there is vendor lock-in. I needed Windows for Photoshop in the past, I’m not that dumb.
I’m talking specifically about stuff like ads, privacy, unremovable bloatware, forced logins and such. And I stand by what I said: Linux by its very nature will not have these issues. And its very reasonable for people to recommend it in face of those.
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If you use Windows you know they will re-enable that on the next update, after you took your time turning all the garbage off. That was the final drop in the bucket for me to switch away from Windows some years ago actually.
I do agree Windows can be pretty decent when you do that, but if I am to have all this work to set up my machine, and then having them undo it, then I might as well learn a system that actually does what I tell it to.
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It’s good, but you can’t know for sure if you removed all bloatware. Also if you install updates you can easily miss newly added ones.
Windows is like Reddit. There is more content and users, but we use Lemmy for a reason. So I’m not surprised that many people joke about GNU/Linux in this thread. GNU/Linux is not for everyone, but so do Lemmy.
Photoshop works in Fedora ;)
I got it to work on Ubuntu back then, but it was annoying as hell.
Why Fedora exactly? Genuinely curious!
I hope you’ve got backup solution if Windows ever prevents you from working.
It must be important if you’re prioritizing it over your software freedom…
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Hopefully a reinstall is the most you ever need and there is no chance Microsoft would ever happen to make changes that shaft you.
Software freedom is about being in control over your own computing. If being in control of your research and the results is important then I think it should be important to you too.
I consider myself like a smoker telling you smoking causes cancer in regards to my use of proprietary software. I am proud of the efforts I’ve made over the years to reduce using proprietary software.
Can’t be in control of your own computing if you can’t do your computing at all. From their responses, it’s clear that Linux is not supported for hardware essential to their workflow. How is this difficult to understand?
Last time I used Linux it came with its own bag of problems like hunting down drivers and incompatibility issues and random bugs that wouldn’t let me use the wifi without digging up solutions in some obscure forum. Maybe it’s not the case anymore but I don’t hear many people lauding it for its competitive UX and ease of use.
GNOME’s UX has come a looong way in just like 3 years.
I assume the same is true for KDE now that Valve is investing money in it.
I hope so! Nothing against Linux but it did feel a bit like a raw steak at times 😅
I understand how it can feel that way when you are not used to Linux. I felt the same way in the beggining when I was learning it.
Out of all mainstream desktops, GNOME is the only one which dares to create a new workflow which is simple yet very powerful
familiarity of kde is good too.
and its just getting better and better too!
Another fosstard
I mean… Linux does solve the problem described. Why pay for a platform with the problem when the solution is free?
You think i’m paying for windows?
In Soviet Russia, Windows crash you!
Let just say you don’t pay… with money.
Most people who think Windows came with the computer for free don’t know that the licence cost is baked into the total cost.
Honestly, your bitching was far more intrusive than this unharmful joke. That joke was actually funny.
You’re either being intellectually disingenuous, or you’re new to Lemmy. Every goddamn thread about Windows here ends up littered with “jokes” about how great Linux is, and how shitty Windows is.
It’s beyond exhausting at this point.
And the goddamn distros can’t even support a fingerprint reader nor a nvidia card, or forces you to do some terminal voodoo to make the thing work, or crashes without warning after an update.
But somehow that’s better than Windows. -_-
to be fair its not Linux that doesnt support nvidia, its the other way around.
and it works fine if you dont have more specific use cases.
Windows fanboys will justify anything just because it locks them in and forces them to use it. People with stockholm syndrone justifying terrible anti-consumer decisions by Microsoft are the ones really exhausting me.
Use it if you want to, or need to, but don’t be mad at the people actually trying to come up with and improve the solutions we have.
I just want a PC that works and linux ain’t it hun
Funny how my Linux PC works flawlessly without intervention then.
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Too bad?
Was half-expecting Rick Astley ngl
Beat me to it!
Can you just do right click uninstall? or do you have to follow a 12 step hacker method that would cause updates to stop working until you reinstall windows again?
Windows has become the most bloated ad-infested spyware os in existance and more people are leaving it more than ever before. In just few more years, it will be a thing of the past
Reading the article, you do some registry edits to tell Windows that it’s in Europe. Then you uninstall as if you were in Europe. No word on what other consequences this might have.
If you have to tell Windows that you are in Europe then the title is nonsense.
“You too can drink alcohol even if you’re underage”… All you have to do is Lie, and get a fake ID". > Wow thanks.
This is what I want to know as well. Is it a simple process or more involved?
Does this also impact Apple, will they also need to allow removing Safari? If yes, is it possible that they might allow removing other things like iMessage and Apple TV?
On macOS it’s always been possible to remove built in apps. To do so now though requires disabling SIP and mounting as R/W. Then you can use something like this to remove all traces https://freemacsoft.net/appcleaner/
They regenerate after an update, there is also a way to remove Edge on Windows by manually running the uninstaller from the terminal with some options, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s not easy and you can’t just uninstall it like any other app.
I give it less than a year before this goes the way of the Windows 10 start menu registry tweak.
Debloat windows if you need to use it for work or something
A youtuber that actually devs and provides tools for the public?
What a gigachad.
Still waiting for that LTSC
A reminder that you own your machine. If you chose the paid-spyware OS, why complain about it?
Linux users when somebody doesn’t type out an essay to install a program
Uhm actually its very easy you just
Sudo apt ant sofo lror irir 8 6 9 7778 k j hofor -76
And press enter and debug your missing dependencies for the next two weeks, I mean how hard is that?
You’re so incredibly dumb. Smart people know that you should really write a script with vim and then run it. I only had to restart my computer once before saving!
I once got stuck in vim. I had to kill it. Then I uninstalled it.
I wish Nano was the default on everything. The fact that Git on Windows uses Vim is so incredibly annoying.
More like:
Search in the app store, press install.
As opposed to the absolute nightmare of finding executables on random websites, downloading them, running an installer program, pressing next a bunch of times, then deleting the installer afterwards.
App management is something Linux does very well, and Windows very poorly.
On no other OS is it the norm to do it like you’re expected to do it on Windows.
I can chat about bad points in Linux all day, I’m not blind to the faults of any of these OSes, but a Windows user saying installing software on Linux is hard really does have me giggling
E: pictures say a thousand words. Here’s the difference:
Installing an app on Windows: https://imgur.com/a/QoLzZlk
Installing an app on Linux: https://imgur.com/a/prsi9ZW
Need I say more?
E2: people still saying installing apps in Windows is easier despite photographic evidence to the contrary cannot be helped. You’ve gone too deep. Next you’ll be saying climate change isn’t real and the earth is flat lmao. The evidence is right there in front of you!
Tbf Microsoft wants you to rely on their store to install things. People just don’t trust it, for obvious reasons.
I’m afraid Linux is more complex for most regular people.
Yes, a lot of stuff is managed by a package manager (though you have to decide between 2-3 options of the same app, as one is flatpak and one is something else you’ve never come across before) and when that works, it’s great. But it’s far from comprehensive.
I’d rather press ‘next’ or ‘ok’ a few times than have to learn an entirely new and non-intuituve language and interface just to add an app or driver that is among the 20% of stuff that still won’t just work out the box.
I really don’t know where you’re getting this impression from.
I search for software. It’s there, I see an install button. I press it. You can click a drop down to pick between, say, an RPM package or a flatpak, but it’s not something a normal user would do.
Installing windows programs, as I’ve already said, is a lot more than just pressing ok. It relies on knowing what site to pick, finding the download page, picking the right installer, finding the exe you downloaded, going through the install wizard, deleting the installer after.
It’s not easier. IMO app management is the biggest weakness of Windows. There’s a reason genuinely no other OS has that as the standard way to install programs.
I don’t understand the part about learning a new language either? What? I open the app store, I search, I press install. There’s no need for multiple languages? And the interface is a lot more intuitive than finding the right download on every single website, that all look different, and going through every installer, most of which look different.
Seriously, if you were talking about idk, HDR or gaming (outside of emulation where it’s a solid Linux win) or something, I’d be agreeing with you and saying Windows is easier, despite Valve getting Linux pretty close.
But installing programs? Nah, Windows is the one that’s a complicated clusterfuck. People are just used to it so they don’t really think about it.
E: lmao you people are downvoting yet you can’t refute it. Stop simping for a $2.8tn dollar company. I’ve already proven what I’ve said is true. Me criticising an OS isn’t a personal attack lol, stop fanboying.
I’m getting this impression as someone who just installed Linux mint, because people like yourself who say there won’t be problems and it will all just work. It didn’t. There were problems, and there still are.
Even on Linux I still have to search online for info and for what app to install to meet my needs. Which also relies on knowing what site to trust, and what info you find varies hugely from helpful to incomprehensible for a beginner. Especially when there’s a hundred unfamiliar options.
The whole finding downloading and installing something on windows is straightforward for most people. Search, go to site, select, install, follow instructions. Done. I’m not sure why you’re making it sound like some frought and impenetrable nightmare. There’s also the windows app store for (like the mint package manager) about 80% of stuff.
Honestly, I don’t find the package manager much different, since I still need to search for something (to identify the right software / tool etc). And hope it’s included in the package manager. Then I’m asked to approve some dependencys that I have no way, as a beginner, of evaluating of they’re safe or not. So just click ok, and just have to trust the package manager / software (Another click) is safe. No different to me that some downloaded executable on windows.
And as for the different versions, yes, I mean why are there two or three versions of Firefox when I search in the Mint package manager? What makes flatpak ine different from the other one? How can I evaluate ? As a new user, even the descriptions don’t help.
And when I say a new language, I’m talking about having to go into the terminal (?) And enter a bunch of unfamiliar commands that I have no idea if they’re the right or safe thing to do, In order to be able to get something to work. In my case a switch pro controller and an Xbox one controller (when the pro didn’t work). Both of which just work on windows. That’s just one example, and I don’t think it’s an especially unique or niche one for someone coming from windows. Got them to work on Yuzu, but wouldn’t work with a browser for some reason.
To be clear, I’m not dissing Linux (nor you!) I just don’t believe it’s easier that Windows, nor does it yet feel ready to help a new user do fairly ‘normal’ stuff they might want to. I also recently started using a Mac, and while that was laerning curve, it was still far more novice friendly than Mint. In my experience.
