Amazon.comās Whole Foods Market doesnāt want to be forced to let workers wear āBlack Lives Matterā masks and is pointing to the recent US Supreme Court ruling permitting a business owner to refuse services to same-sex couples to get federal regulators to back off.
National Labor Relations Board prosecutors have accused the grocer of stifling worker rights by banning staff from wearing BLM masks or pins on the job. The company countered in a filing that its own rights are being violated if itās forced to allow BLM slogans to be worn with Whole Foods uniforms.
Amazon is the most prominent company to use the high courtās June ruling that a Christian web designer was free to refuse to design sites for gay weddings, saying the case āprovides a clear roadmapā to throw out the NLRBās complaint.
The dispute is one of several in which labor board officials are considering what counts as legally-protected, work-related communication and activism on the job.
Yesā¦ by leaving/quitting/etcā¦
So thatās a no, then - you donāt have a right for something if you have to leave the system to exercise the right. For example you wouldnāt have the right of freedom of speech if I said āyeah you can say whatever you want if you leave the country!ā
So, why do companies deserve more rights than people?
They donātā¦ Itās their property. Just like you would have a right to ask someone to leave your property at anytime for any reason.
Okay so imagine that youāre on Elon Muskās private jet, 36000 feet in the air, and he asks you to strip down into a thong and perform an erotic dance for him. Itās his property, he has the right to tell you what to wear. If you donāt like it, youāre free to leave; of course. Do you think thatās acceptable?
Yes you would have a right to leave at any time. Failure on Elonās part to allow you off the craft promptly and in safe manner would literally be kidnapping or unlawful detention. Which I believe would be up to 3 years of imprisonmentā¦ and generally a felony.
Also, would probably be soliciting and probably a whole slew of other illegal actions here if that situation would occur.
Did you think you had a gotcha there?
So, if Elon puts you into a position where you have to choose between following his rules or risk to your health and safety, itās kidnapping, unlawful detention, etc. but if Amazon puts you into a position where you have to choose between following their rules or risk your health and safety, thatās completely acceptable?
Do you not realise that you completely walked back on your āmy property, my rulesā claim?
Care to elaborate on how not wearing a pin/mask with specific decoration is risking health and safety?
You got that a bit turned around, there.
Choose between following their rules (not wearing a pin/mask) or risk your health and safety (lose your income, health insurance, ability to provide food/shelter for your family)
Not at allā¦ Theft is against the contract/policy of a company as well. If we catch employees stealing shit can the company not fire the employee? How about constantly taking 5 minutes extra on their smoke breaks? Following customers around unwantedly?
The policies/contract is written. Should we just ignore it all for everything just because the person would lose benefits/income? The company should just be forced to pay an employee indefinitely regardless of any/all rules? The worker agreed to the contract when they got hired.
Once againā¦ if you donāt like the rulesā¦ you donāt have to work there.
Noā¦ not wearing a pin or mask with logosā¦ They can wear a maskā¦ And probably are encouraged to wear a mask. Donāt go off making this a health thing for making them take off a specific mask with logos. I can promise that a manager in the situation grabbed a box of masks and offered a replacement to just move on with life.
Although to be fair, I donāt shop thereā¦ I have no idea what Whole Foods requirements are with masks. But I am willing to bet that they had other masks available for workers to use. As I can walk in basically any store and ask for one and be given one as a customerā¦ let alone as a worker.
Affordable Care Act.
If you get fired for this (as was the case in the story) youād be eligible for a number of things like unemployment, food stamps, etcā¦
You are quite pendantic
Care to elaborate? Or are we just going to drive-by name call and add nothing to the conversation?
I donāt think I amā¦ That situation doesnāt even apply to this story. This would imply that workers donāt have access to the dress code prior to starting the job, which Iāve already shown isnāt the case (somewhereā¦ might not have been in this particular thread). This stupid situation would make more sense if Elon told you that in order to fly with him you needed to dress like a stripper prior to getting on the planeā¦ then you get on the plane and get mad when he ejects you for not being in proper uniform.
You call it pedanticā¦ but EVEN in this stupidly constructed caseā¦ itās a dumb premise and itās clear that the right persists regardless.
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